Hi,
We are finalizing our Outland Spousal App. I realize we send the Original Medical Receipt with the affixed Photos. But our FBI and State Police State Clearances, are we to send the originals as well or can we photocopy them, so we have originals in our possesion incase they get lost or something?
Also now that her son is staying in the US to become a Marine. I suppose now I can go back and change all the forms to her being the priniciple applicant and just include him as an adult child that is not accompanying her. But still submit his medical, FBI Clearance and State Clearances so that if things change he may come at a later date?
Thanks for everything.
They will want originals, CIC actually called me because the clearance cert from Austria looks like a photo copy, after a friendly chat they said fine, but they do want originals.
Actually you're not going to be sending the "original medical form with photos affixed" - the DMP will send that to the Regional Medical Centre in Ottawa and Buffalo will request it from them when they get the application and are ready to review the medical results.. You will only have a signed form from the DMP to submit with the application that proves it's been completed.
You have to send the original FBI and State clearances - no photocopies on that. Keep photocopies for your records - but if they're lost by CIC (which has happened, unfortunately) you'll have to do them over again.
As far as her son who is going into the Marines - as you know, if he falls within the definition of a "dependent child", he has to be included in the application, submit criminal clearances and undergo a medical - whether he's accompanying his mother to Canada or not. What you may not know is that if he is designated now as a non-accompanying dependent, you will have to file a new application to sponsor him if he intends to come to Canada at a later date AND including him on this application and having him undergo medical and criminal clearances does NOT lock in his age. So, he will only be eligible to be sponsored at a later date as long as he remains under 22 years of age and is not married or in a common-law relationship. IF he turns 22, gets married, or starts living with someone before you submit a new ap to sponsor him, he'll be ineligible. We were in a similar situation with my eldest, who was 21 when we first applied. Even though he didn't want to come to Canada at all, we still designated him as accompanying to "lock in" his age. The plan was that he would then be issued a visa, would come to Canada to "land", and then would go back home with time to decide whether Canada was someplace he'd want to be one day. Because a PR is only required to reside in Canada for 2 years of each five year period he, conceivably, had almost 3 years at home to make up his mind. This might be something you consider also - but the one thing that might mess it up is that the Confirmation of Permanent Residence he would be issued at the end of the process will have an expiration date - either the one year anniversary of his medical or the expiration date of his passport, whichever comes first. He will have to travel to Canada to "land" before that COPR expires - and being in the Marines might make that difficult to accomplish.
I don't know how we would accomplish this without you all. I can't say thank you enough.
Congrats eurochris! I am very happy for you.
RobsLuv Wrote:Actually you're not going to be sending the "original medical form with photos affixed" - the DMP will send that to the Regional Medical Centre in Ottawa and Buffalo will request it from them when they get the application and are ready to review the medical results.. You will only have a signed form from the DMP to submit with the application that proves it's been completed.
I would like clarification on this please.
I had my medicals done last week, and i made sure they knew i was filing outland.
They gave me a sheet with green boxes on it, a carbon copy. It has my hideous passport photo glued onto it in the upper right. It is form IMM1017. For some reason it is in French, but I dont think that really matters, does it? anyway, They told me that this was the form I send in with the application. This is all they gave me. Did they mess up? What do I actually send in with the app?
I know there is no income requirement to sponsor a spouse and a dependant with no children. But does it make for a simpler application for me just to sponsor my wife, as I am presently a low income earner?
Then later, couldn't we sponsor her son at a later date, as long as it is before he turns 22 or living common law with someone. Cause if he is living at his grandparents in Tenn and that is his legal U.S. address, we could apply with him Outland as family? And once we show that we are starting the Perm Resident app, could he not stay with us while it is being processed. Of course he wouldn't be able to work or go to school while he waits, for the PR to be approved.
Please I really value your opinion on this. Thanks.
As he is her dependent child, he still has to be assessed as part of her application, even if he isn't coming to Canada immediately.
If you're planning to have her son move to Canada to live with you at some point (even a couple of years from now), you're much better off sponsoring them both together. All you get by having him listed as a non-accompanying dependent is more paperwork and fees when you eventually want him to come and live in Canada.
Matthew
moby Wrote:I know there is no income requirement to sponsor a spouse and a dependant with no children. But does it make for a simpler application for me just to sponsor my wife, as I am presently a low income earner?
The only time there is an income requirement when sponsoring a spouse is if you are also sponsoring a dependent with dependent children (ie: grandchildren), so there is no need to split up the sponsorships.
René --
Yes, you have the correct form from the DMP and that is what you send in with the application . . . be sure to make and keep your own copy.
(Note: Good idea to start your own thread when you have a question for your own case, even if it is related.)
Moby --
ditto the previous responses. As long as you are not on public assistance, it really does not matter that you are a "low-income earner." And matthewc is right, if there is any possibility of the dependent coming to Canada to live, to do it as an accompanying dependent is probably the best way to do it . . . the only issue then is whether the dependent will in fact reside in Canada in time to meet the residency requirement (two out of five years following "landing" -- remembering that a person can land and immediately leave as long as eventually they meet that two out of five residency requirement).
Thank you dpenabill.
Nope not on social assistance. And I have the "c" printout from CRA. Medicals and clearances are done for both, my wife and her son, so we will fill out the Outland with her son as accompanying and worry about him landing after. If he doesn't deploy for the Marines before the app is processed, I guess they both could land at the same time and he could go back to report for duty.
Thanks again for everything.